My Criticism of Folk and Faith

[folkandfaith]

Bob,

Just an FYI...within the quotes section itself it says that just because a person was quoted, doesn't mean that they would have agreed with us on every other single topic in the world or even our interpretation of that one issue of theirs. Certainly there are many quoted within the quotes section that we aren't really supportive of the rest of their ideas, but, on that one issue or quote they had it pretty close to our view. Again, no other endorsement is implied . In today's politically correct world I guess you need to put giant disclaimers on everything lest some poor sap be offended or get something wrong or both. Nonetheless, how different is it from folks that put "signatures" on emails from whomever they wish to just because they thought that the quote was funny, inspirational, or that they even kinda liked the person they quoted - yet they don't approve of X,Y and Z of the person? Many of today's Constitutionalist and Liberty oriented crowd quote the US "founding fathers" as they call them, yet don't agree with Thomas Paynes views on religion or whatever else... Not too different at all.

On nations- We don't oppose nations, just the state. Just because both exist doesn't mean we have to further them.

On racialism - racism is a knee jerk reactionary stance, typically just a gut reaction but one fueled typically without much other information. Kind of like your half understood thoughts on Folk And Faith it seems. Racialism is an educated, tribalistic, nationalist, separatist point of view that we believe benefits all participants. In other words, it is not supremacist nor is it imperialist as it doesn't seek to impose itself on anyone, much like "FNF". It simply demands its own territorial rights to exist as it see fits and to carry on the existence of its lineage regardless of the choice others make regarding theirs. "FNF" and fascism or supremacist views aren't one in the same nor do we get along very well with those views as is evident by the people with those views and their writing of statements against us on their forums etc because we are neither racist, nor statist. They are under the impression that you have to be both in order to care about ones lineage. They, like you, are wrong.

Last, sieg-heiling? Come now... Take yourself a bit more serious and academic like even when just trying to make a knee jerk reactionary comment to a site that you don't really understand, much less agree with what you don't understand.

We have no use for fascism or Hitlerian National Socialism and view both as simply being tools or part of the one world globalist system. In essence, The Bankers just used them much like Bush and Obama of today. They were being played by the same bankers that fund and fuel all wars...

Do some reading.. Shut off the Sponge-Bob on TV and do some actual research into things before you just start throwing your half witted ill informed statements around. Research and reading are always good things and just make you that much mire informed about things going on in the world and that could affect you, and, just as important they make you look not so much like an idiot.


Regards-

Beyond Left and Right -
FNF!

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FNFer,
Unfortunately, racism is not simply a "knee-jerk reactionary stance" fueled by spur of the moment ignorance. Looking at the history of racism in European and "white" North American societies, however much the "redneck racist" is cited and stereotyped, the racist discourse has generally been very involved and required plenty of careful manipulation. A creation of capitalism, racism (and its friend, "white identity") was designed, whether consciously or not, to ensure that the economic systems' plundering be legitimized (i.e. the European and North American public would be able to at least passively accept colonialism, slavery, and other capitalist treats).

The white identity that you boast of is truly a tool of capitalist imperialism. While your rhetoric may bash the "system", racializing radical politics, especially as white folks, truly gets us nowhere. This is because, simply, the vast majority of people experience in their daily lives people of different backgrounds, ethnic heritages, and skin colors getting along.
Maybe it is all for the best though. At least you are keeping your perverse radicalism away from some of the movements that are truly challenging capitalism. The struggle against all borders, for instance. This is when National Anarchists and their kin show their true stripes.

Even the most basic understanding of the global ecominic system reveals that control over the movement of people by nation-states is one of its primary foundations. By perpetuating the idea that we should be keeping immigrants out of our communities, even as nations in the north continue to plunder globally, you are really doing the work of the state and "real racists".

It is not that I hate my identity or European roots, quite the opposite in fact. I just want y'all to quit working to perpetuate the idea of whiteness, which has far too long served to help further divide and conquer and colonize us. Do something really good for the anti-capitalist/social justice movement, destroy whiteness!

And read the f**king history of nationalism for God's sake! Born from capitalism, it will die along with it.

Bobby C.

[folkandfaith]

15.10.2009, at 05:08:02
Assumed Name-: Maestra Sierra
Email: ysier002@gmail.com
Geographical Location: Florida, USA
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How good do you think this site is: Looks great!
What you liked most about the site: Articles of Interest
Reference: Word of Mouth (someone sent me the address)
Comments: It seems that you want an Amish nation, which is ok, but you want the whole nation to be this way, which I think contradicts your main philosophy of individual rights and letting others life their own life and such. Maybe I like having technology that makes my life possible. Maybe for others it�s convenient and even makes life better, but for people like myself who has one form of disability or other technology makes life possible. I don�t mind if you want to live an Amish life but I don�t and I don�t want my nation to be one in which I don�t have the choice between living with technology or without it.

I hope you are knowledgeable of herbs and natural medicine since having healthy kids will be hard. After all those factories and labs that created those vaccinations to prevent polio will soon run out due to the factories and labs shutting off. Not to mention due to labor complications you�re expected to lose half of your children as well as due to diseases (remember NO labs or factories to create appropriate medicines) many more would die before they reach ten.
Also have you ever spoken to an Amish? I don�t know where you got the idea that hunter/gathers spent only two hours working. There are archeologists and anthropologists who disagree with you with that statement. Think about it. Due to factory shut down you wouldn�t have those tools that make life easier. In fact you can say good bye to your bullets (majority of them are created in factories by machines) and forget about tractors that make growing and producing foods quicker. There was a reason why ancient man took a whole day just looking, hunting and making food to eat. Anthropologists found out that ancient man ate mostly berries and veggies (I could name only two people who are vegans, everyone else eats meat), especially during winter and that is if the other members of the tribe found any. Agriculture isn�t a two hour work. It�s a whole day affair. It�s maybe only two hours with machines, but remember we no longer have machines in such a world as yours since the factories and industries that helped to produce and run those machines are dead. Just as was house work was an all day affair back before the Industrial Revolution and later during the 1940s with the introduction of gadgets and chemicals which helped to cut the time of cleaning by 60% (today I would assume it would be 80%).
Sure one can romanticize the Amish life if he or she likes to but it�s not for me. I like doing house work in just two hours as appose to a whole day affair and my husband likes his turbo charged Nissan 240 sx as well as having a connection with the world and I like teaching my students using computers and other forms of media that will make their lives possible as well. Technology can be a pain at times but for people with disabilities (such as myself) it makes life possible and I wouldn�t trade it for anything else. I lived in a nation without advance technology and without the latest cars or any forms of luxury and you know what form of government it had? Communism. I traded so called �primitivism lifestyle� for an easier and life giving one. Sure I work six hours, but I�m not outside under some hot sun getting cancer or being targeted by hungry Black bears or Florida panthers, nor will I be attacked by some primitive male (going back to instinctive nature, would have dir consequences).

Sorry I like a technological nation (keep it alive through solar power energy). I still respect your Amish nation and only hope that you succeed in having your own little community of one and that you respect my choice of community. I think this way we can all live the lives the way we want to.
How will you help this site to grow?: Work of mouth seems to work best.